Chicken People vs. Egg People

Chicken People vs. Egg People

LeftSock's picture
Posted by LeftSock on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 4:58am in

I've been rethinking a very old and cliche question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If you're a creationist, the answer is the chicken. If you adhere to Darwinian evolution, the answer is the egg. Much, but certainly not all, of the religious debate in the U.S. can be divided into chicken vs. egg. Am I right or wrong?

Chicken Egg Visualisation.

Indeed the old chestnut issue of the Chicken/Egg paradox is worth considering.

I have a point that may be worth mentioning regarding peoples inability to visualise what a chicken or an egg

really are.

It occured to me that there is no difference between a chicken and an egg at all, so hence neither of these things

could logically have come before each other in turn.

An Egg is an undeveloped Chicken differing only in its exterior final form, the inverse is also true:

A Chicken IS an Egg that has matured and grown to appear like a separate entity.

To Call a Chicken A Chicken or an Egg an Egg is actually a logical fallacy. We would be better off calling both

of these organisms Chickneggs or Eggickens! This mental distinction we all make at one time or another is partly responsible for the delusion that many Creationists fall Fowl (sic) of.

If a person can't recognise an Egg as being a Chicken, it then becomes easy to believe that "My Daddy weren't no Monkey", something that many creationists fail to grasp.

Just a thought, and Sunny side up for me!

Miles Backshall

Sydney Australia

MilesB1975's picture
Posted by MilesB1975 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:02am
Oneness

I agree with you. Science has shown that there is indeed no difference between the chicken and the egg, other than useful semantics.

(Potentially, this has important philosophical implications for other topics.)

This concept lends support to the idea of monism, the ultimate oneness of every substance. It also makes the concept of physical evolution easier to grasp.

And, as a pandeist, I could hardly disagree about the interconenctedness of all things.

Good sense of humor BTW. Your yolks cracked me up.

 

 

 

LeftSock's picture
Posted by LeftSock on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 4:45am
Incorrect view of Evolution.

Your view of what Darwin's Theory suggests has a flaw Leftsock,

Darwinism as you put it does not suggest that eggs came first!

Before the Egg/Chicken you nominate existed there was another Egg/CHicken that may have varied slightly, perhaps it had a slightly bigger beak or blacker feathers or perhaps it wasn't visibly different at all, but if you keep imagining the parents of the Egg/Chicken back in generations it would have come from something completely unlike a Chicken OR an Egg.

There is a paralell in the world view at the moment, with the question: Who made God-1? God-2 ? Well Who made Him? God-3 !

Infinte Regress and Circular Reasoning.

Don't confuse Evolution as an explanation for The Origin of Life or The Universe however.

That's what Abiogenesis and Cosmology are for.

MilesB1975's picture
Posted by MilesB1975 on Wed, 02/11/2009 - 10:13am
Abiogenetic chickens

<< Darwinism as you put it does not suggest that eggs came first! >>

The modern synthesis of Darwinian evolution includes Genetics. So the answer to the old brain-teaser is that the information in the egg's DNA came first. Meta-physical information is the only thing that is constant from one generation to another of chickens. And the generic information originated in the eternal mind of G*D.

gnomon's picture
Posted by gnomon on Mon, 03/02/2009 - 1:17am